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Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Old Spice Centaur Commercial

Here's a new weird-ass commercial for Old Spice Double Impact body wash, involving a (half man, half horse) centaur, of sorts, and implications of bestiality.



I found it disturbing. Apparently other people didn't.

137 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well..."hung like a horse" doesn't quite apply since it's CG, ensuring sterile and family-friendly anatomy. And bestiality wouldn't apply since this guy is a sentient, consenting being. Nothing worse here than in your general Narnia or harry Potter movie.

Jen said...
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Jen said...

A hot woman in a negligee wasn't stroking Harry Potter or any of the characters in the C.S. Lewis "Chronicles" books. As far as I know there wasn't one in the Narnia movies either.

But I see what you're writing.I still say the "hung like a horse" and bestiality IMPLICATIONS apply.

However, rationalize away...

Jen said...

P.S Why are you sensitive about a commercial?

I'm genuinely curious. You're the second commenter who has come to the defense of the people trying to sell you shit.

Raven said...

Well, I can't speak for Anonymous, but personally I think it's a bad idea to use the "bestiality" label in a place where it's not appropriate, because it waters down the term itself. The reason bestiality is so inherently offensive is because it is animal abuse -- the use of another creature for sexual gratification when that creature cannot give informed consent. Any personal squeamishness that one might feel about the incompatible bits of anatomy clashing together is beside the point, and is roughly analogous to the squeamishness some people have about homosexual sex. If we start treating bestiality as though it's offensive just because it's "icky" and not because it's abusive, we risk muddying the waters and making an animal welfare issue look like a matter of personal taste.

In this case, as Anonymous pointed out, there's obviously a whole lot of consenting going on. :) It's a silly commercial, but I don't think it's inherently offensive.

Jen said...

Raven: Since your comment, I've thought way more about bestiality (and zoophiles) than i ever wanted to, so thanks :/ But I get it now (after a wiki consult and a couple of weird discussions).

I'd say it's more analogous to how most people view necrophilia. But I won't quibble.

I do, however, disagree with your claim: "The reason bestiality is so inherently offensive is because it is animal abuse." I think that's part of it.

But I'd say it's also "inherently offensive" because it's inherently repulsive (for most people); not entirely the result of socialization or ethos. But I'm already programed, so I guess there's no way to be sure.

Thank you for your comment Raven.

Jen said...

The point is, I'll try to be more sensitive and less judgmental, noting the distinction between animal abuse and some one's sexual preference.

Anonymous said...

I got caught up thinking about the issue some more as well, and why I made that initial comment in the first place.

For a start, I work in the make-belief industry that makes images like Narnia, Harry Potter and that Old Spice commercial possible. Since (almost) everything is possible, it's becoming increasingly common to question the morals guiding the images that I might be creating. And I've come to the conclusion that situations like the one portrayed here, although it might be inherently offensive to some, are okay. Because there's no inherent abuse and they deal with personal choice and the expression of one's individuality.

You've already discussed everything there is to say about the bestiality distinction, and I would 100% agree with what's been said. So…once we exclude the bestiality issue (which is a pretty clear-cut case of animal abuse), we delve into of make-belief scenario of two consenting…creatures doing what they feel like doing. At this point we're only talking about anatomy, and whether we believe that there's a compatibility or not. For those people it's a choice. And arguing against that choice is a slippery slope, because if we go down that road we quickly reach the point where homosexuality is equally offensive. Which it definitely isn't in my book. Hence my belief that no matter how repulsive the subject matter to some, it's "okay".

As you also point out, social programming plays a huge part in how squeamish we are about these kind of scenarios. And I find it interesting that we're going around in circles when it comes to issues like this one. Our culture is becoming more sanitized, it's getting further and further removed from interacting with nature, working with farm/pack animals etc. It's only natural that we're more likely to react negatively to situations that inject uncomfortable doses of animal interaction. This doesn't start with something as explicit as the Old Spice commercial, by the way - you'd be surprised how many VFX jobs consist of removing "objectionable" animal anatomy from shots. Because apparently, the animal was being too indecent without knowing it. That's pretty stupid!

But going back to the circle: it didn't use to be like that if you look back at the Roman and Greek culture. These were societies where mythical creatures like centaurs, satyrs etc. were commonplace and accepted. More importantly, the implications of those creatures (Satyrs being half-goat men chasing around naked nymphs all day - and catching them!) were socially accepted. Presumably because the culture was closer connected with nature, and people's sexual nature was less repressed. I would like to think that the Old Spice commercial wouldn't have lead to any raised eyebrows back in those days.

That was 2000 years ago. Times have changed. Bot now, with the advent of computer graphics making everything possible and the ability to push boundaries, we're actually getting back to these kind of sensibilities. Or at least we're testing them and pushing them. And that's pretty damn interesting to me. Just look at what's happening here: total strangers discussing a blog post about this one commercial. That means that the ad agency did its job, it pushed people's buttons and gained product awareness. But it also means that there's buttons that can be pushed in the first place, and that compels us to discuss the issue to excruciating detail ;)

Jen said...

Wow! Anonymous you could/should write a book on the subject.

But I'll say the fact that the commercial got us talking, hence increased product awareness, crossed my mind as well.

Kudos Old Spice.

And I'm glad you don't seem to be irked with me anymore Anony. I'll be more careful when I criticize commercials in the future. Believe that.

Anonymous said...

In the Harry Potter world, such things are touched on indirectly. Hagrid for example being a "half breed" between giant (clearly as different a species as primates are to humans). But we aren't presented with any direct sexual hints or allusions in those stories.

In my humble opinion, the issue is not at all about the animal being able to give "consent". That's a whiny PETA liberal stance. One can simply argue that there are obvious signs a cat or horse enjoys being petted or brushed. So a consensual argument could be made for such things. Judging from the number of male dogs that have "shown interest" in people's legs, I don't think a consensual argument would be hard to make.

The issue is simply one of morality and appropriate content for TV. I would prefer my children not watch PG sex scenes, just as I would prefer them not see a woman in night dress make sexually suggestive comments to a horse, even if a man is half attached to it.

I don't care if the CG horse has correct anatomy or not. Just as I don't care if sex scenes show anatomy or not. I'm not concerned with my kids seeing what a naked body looks like. I am however concerned with shaping their view of morality, and what is "right and wrong". I'm also concerned with exposing them to adult content too early. Seeing acts of sex (at their age), and sexual suggestions toward animals (at any age) falls under the "wrong" category in my opinion.

-J

Jen said...

Thanks for your comment J. As you probably read I don't think it's entirely about whether an animal gives consent either; or whether the commercial depicts the correct anatomy.

And it's nice to have a parent's perspective.

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I think this is one of the dumbest, most unneeded and inane commercials ever made! Everytime it comes on, I just want to throw something at the TV. Old Spice definitely achieved the goal of brand recognition. However, probably not the way they wanted, as I wouldn't buy it unless it was absolutely the last thing on the shelf.
I've been wanting to vent about this commercial for months...thanks for lettin' me.

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